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		<title>By: Steampunk &#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.geekgirlgamut.com/2010/01/04/december-2009-geek-movie-review/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Steampunk &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Holmes that I recently gave a fairly glowing review to also had some wonderful steampunk touches, mostly in Holmes’ inventions, like his very close [...]</description>
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		<title>By: G³</title>
		<link>http://www.geekgirlgamut.com/2010/01/04/december-2009-geek-movie-review/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>G³</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean R.: We both really liked it.  It was entertaining and a refreshing story, something different, which we hadn&#039;t had in a while regarding vampires.  And then it ended, and it did the same thing that has bothered John and I about most movies for so long, it ended suddenly without giving any true closure.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean R.: We both really liked it.  It was entertaining and a refreshing story, something different, which we hadn&#8217;t had in a while regarding vampires.  And then it ended, and it did the same thing that has bothered John and I about most movies for so long, it ended suddenly without giving any true closure.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean R.</title>
		<link>http://www.geekgirlgamut.com/2010/01/04/december-2009-geek-movie-review/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...And?</description>
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		<title>By: G³</title>
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		<dc:creator>G³</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean R.: So John and I discussed your response to this, and we know exactly what the main problem is: You&#039;re a fan of the already existing written work.  Whereas I have never read a Sherlock Holmes novel, and neither has John, so for me some of the truly ridiculous things were what I enjoyed the most, because I didn&#039;t want this to be too serious, and I didn&#039;t have any other basis to compare it to and then maybe overshadow my experience.

Not that I am saying that your are at a disadvantage for having read the works, far from it, but I think having a background in the books will definitely affect how you look at the movie.

Now, after hearing about the original Adler character, I wish they had kept her more like how you described, because that would have been much more interesting.  Yet another example of Hollywood having to throw in a love interest, even if it doesn&#039;t stick.  I am glad at least that you agree that the actors chosen for Holmes and Watson and how they portrayed those characters was well done, as well as Guy Richie&#039;s direction.  Yes, the villain was a little lack-luster for me too, but I was so pleased with how Holmes had figured everything out at the end, that the villain seemed less important than the resolving of the case.

But I again second that groan of disappointment over the end.  I still feel somewhat cheated, though not as &quot;What the Hell?!&quot; as I did at the end of Transformers 2.

Today we head out to see &quot;Daybreakers&quot;.  Let&#039;s see how this portrayal of vampires works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean R.: So John and I discussed your response to this, and we know exactly what the main problem is: You&#8217;re a fan of the already existing written work.  Whereas I have never read a Sherlock Holmes novel, and neither has John, so for me some of the truly ridiculous things were what I enjoyed the most, because I didn&#8217;t want this to be too serious, and I didn&#8217;t have any other basis to compare it to and then maybe overshadow my experience.</p>
<p>Not that I am saying that your are at a disadvantage for having read the works, far from it, but I think having a background in the books will definitely affect how you look at the movie.</p>
<p>Now, after hearing about the original Adler character, I wish they had kept her more like how you described, because that would have been much more interesting.  Yet another example of Hollywood having to throw in a love interest, even if it doesn&#8217;t stick.  I am glad at least that you agree that the actors chosen for Holmes and Watson and how they portrayed those characters was well done, as well as Guy Richie&#8217;s direction.  Yes, the villain was a little lack-luster for me too, but I was so pleased with how Holmes had figured everything out at the end, that the villain seemed less important than the resolving of the case.</p>
<p>But I again second that groan of disappointment over the end.  I still feel somewhat cheated, though not as &#8220;What the Hell?!&#8221; as I did at the end of Transformers 2.</p>
<p>Today we head out to see &#8220;Daybreakers&#8221;.  Let&#8217;s see how this portrayal of vampires works out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only one of these I&#039;ve seen so far is Sherlock Holmes, and I regret to say that I didn&#039;t like it as much as you seem to have. It had some good parts to it, really good parts, but like 300 before it, it suffered because of its silliness that my mind gradually picked apart as soon as the credits rolled.  The villain was silly; he sometimes made me laugh out loud with his efforts to sound all dark and forboding and just coming off as cheesy, and he seemed very gestapo for this time period.  The villains plan was very silly; I can&#039;t really get into why without spoilers, and it wasn&#039;t the how of it I objected to, but his plan was just full of assumptions and stupidity and holes you could drive a tank through.  And I know this is gonna get me in trouble here, but Irene Adler was silly too.

I just couldn&#039;t get behind this iteration of her, and I admit that that&#039;s because I like the books so much.  They&#039;re built up to have this steamy history together, when in the books they met all of twice, one meeting being a witness to her marriage to another man.  See, the thing about Irene Adler is, she completely turns everything Holmes has come to understand and dislike about women on its head.   He first met her when a King of some small foreign country came to Sherlock with a case: Irene was engaged to be married to the king, he dumps her for a blueblood, she has a picture of them together, King hires sherlock to get it back.  Holmes disguises himself to get close to her, but she recognizes him anyway, and (here&#039;s the kicker) disguises herself and find out who HE is IN THE EXACT SAME WAY.  She grabs her new fiancee and gets the hell outta dodge, and when holmes comes to find the picture the following day, he instead finds a note explaining how she twigged that something was up, how she was able to find out weho he was, that she only took the picture so that the King&#039;s house wouldn&#039;t try to move against her, and that that since she ‘loves and is loved by a far better man,’ she has no intention of ruining the king’s new engagement.  Holmes apologizes to the King for his failure, but the prince exclaims that Irene is ‘always as good as her word,’ and this is the best possible resolution.  People think that Irene is the only woman holmes admires because she was clever enough to see through him both times, but that isn&#039;t really right.  It was that despite her shady past, she was kind enough to keep on being nice to holmes even after the jig was up, and honorable enough to explain in a letter what he did wrong, and virtouous enough to explain her actions and the reasons behind them.  She was a straight shooter, what is referred to in this day and age as a bro.  And then the movie came along and made her Catwoman, just another femme fatale who may or may not be on the heroes side. Worse, they made her a damsel, and don&#039;t give her enough chances to be very clever at all , and don&#039;t actually give her a reason for her to be there either.  So I didn&#039;t like her.

Tell you what I did like though: the atmosphere.  Some critics gave the movie flack because Ritchie grittied up the movie, removing it from the spirit of the stories, going far beyond what any of them have done.  Well, duh; this isn&#039;t victorian england guys, some allowances had to be made. Sure, Watson having a gambling habit and Holmes boxing with his shirt off to Rocky Road to Dublin made me raise my eyebrows a bit, but they&#039;re supposed to be adventure stories, and to have the same effect on modern movie audiences that they had on Victorian readers, you need to build them up, and add some action moves and fight scenes in there (frantic chases may have been enough in the 1880s and even enough for PBS, but for the American movie-goer?).  The Sherlock Holmes series is about a nutzo genius, his combat vet of a friend, and the wild and horrific crimes they solve together.  That’s what the movie shows.   

And lets talk about that nutzo genius and his army buddy.  I thought Robert Downey Jr&#039;s holmes was fascinating and adorable; In the stories, Holmes had eccentricities, butr was also something of a jerk and one got the feeling that he only did certain things to annoy people.  Here, though, his eccentricities are a way to keep him from going mad, and he takes absolute pleasure using them and defying convention to solve a case and increase the knowledge of mankind.  And it&#039;s not that I object to him fighting, in the stories, he&#039;s supposed to be really strong and know all these crazy kung fu stuff, so I gave that one a pass.  And I love the little nods they make to the stories, like holmes using a revolver to shoot a &quot;patriotic VR&quot; (you know, Victoria Regina?) into the wall.  And Jude law was just as good.  See, a lot of people interpret Watson as bumbling and bewildered because he&#039;s not as smart as holmes and was the straight man to holmes&#039; mad genius, whereas the only traights the stories put to him was that he was a bit stuffy and excitable.  But the stories also said he was ex military (I remember him serving in india, but wikipedia says afghanistan), was a bit of a player, and was a doctor, THE go to profession of that time for brainey guys.  Jude Law portrays all of that, painting watson as not some sidekick and chronicler of adventures, but as the long suffering partner who shares Holmes&#039; love of adventure and mystery while suppressing the urge to lamp him one (yeah, not very well, but sherlock kind of had that one coming).    

I also totally agree with you about the ending.  Finish the story before you start the next one, guys, Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only one of these I&#8217;ve seen so far is Sherlock Holmes, and I regret to say that I didn&#8217;t like it as much as you seem to have. It had some good parts to it, really good parts, but like 300 before it, it suffered because of its silliness that my mind gradually picked apart as soon as the credits rolled.  The villain was silly; he sometimes made me laugh out loud with his efforts to sound all dark and forboding and just coming off as cheesy, and he seemed very gestapo for this time period.  The villains plan was very silly; I can&#8217;t really get into why without spoilers, and it wasn&#8217;t the how of it I objected to, but his plan was just full of assumptions and stupidity and holes you could drive a tank through.  And I know this is gonna get me in trouble here, but Irene Adler was silly too.</p>
<p>I just couldn&#8217;t get behind this iteration of her, and I admit that that&#8217;s because I like the books so much.  They&#8217;re built up to have this steamy history together, when in the books they met all of twice, one meeting being a witness to her marriage to another man.  See, the thing about Irene Adler is, she completely turns everything Holmes has come to understand and dislike about women on its head.   He first met her when a King of some small foreign country came to Sherlock with a case: Irene was engaged to be married to the king, he dumps her for a blueblood, she has a picture of them together, King hires sherlock to get it back.  Holmes disguises himself to get close to her, but she recognizes him anyway, and (here&#8217;s the kicker) disguises herself and find out who HE is IN THE EXACT SAME WAY.  She grabs her new fiancee and gets the hell outta dodge, and when holmes comes to find the picture the following day, he instead finds a note explaining how she twigged that something was up, how she was able to find out weho he was, that she only took the picture so that the King&#8217;s house wouldn&#8217;t try to move against her, and that that since she ‘loves and is loved by a far better man,’ she has no intention of ruining the king’s new engagement.  Holmes apologizes to the King for his failure, but the prince exclaims that Irene is ‘always as good as her word,’ and this is the best possible resolution.  People think that Irene is the only woman holmes admires because she was clever enough to see through him both times, but that isn&#8217;t really right.  It was that despite her shady past, she was kind enough to keep on being nice to holmes even after the jig was up, and honorable enough to explain in a letter what he did wrong, and virtouous enough to explain her actions and the reasons behind them.  She was a straight shooter, what is referred to in this day and age as a bro.  And then the movie came along and made her Catwoman, just another femme fatale who may or may not be on the heroes side. Worse, they made her a damsel, and don&#8217;t give her enough chances to be very clever at all , and don&#8217;t actually give her a reason for her to be there either.  So I didn&#8217;t like her.</p>
<p>Tell you what I did like though: the atmosphere.  Some critics gave the movie flack because Ritchie grittied up the movie, removing it from the spirit of the stories, going far beyond what any of them have done.  Well, duh; this isn&#8217;t victorian england guys, some allowances had to be made. Sure, Watson having a gambling habit and Holmes boxing with his shirt off to Rocky Road to Dublin made me raise my eyebrows a bit, but they&#8217;re supposed to be adventure stories, and to have the same effect on modern movie audiences that they had on Victorian readers, you need to build them up, and add some action moves and fight scenes in there (frantic chases may have been enough in the 1880s and even enough for PBS, but for the American movie-goer?).  The Sherlock Holmes series is about a nutzo genius, his combat vet of a friend, and the wild and horrific crimes they solve together.  That’s what the movie shows.   </p>
<p>And lets talk about that nutzo genius and his army buddy.  I thought Robert Downey Jr&#8217;s holmes was fascinating and adorable; In the stories, Holmes had eccentricities, butr was also something of a jerk and one got the feeling that he only did certain things to annoy people.  Here, though, his eccentricities are a way to keep him from going mad, and he takes absolute pleasure using them and defying convention to solve a case and increase the knowledge of mankind.  And it&#8217;s not that I object to him fighting, in the stories, he&#8217;s supposed to be really strong and know all these crazy kung fu stuff, so I gave that one a pass.  And I love the little nods they make to the stories, like holmes using a revolver to shoot a &#8220;patriotic VR&#8221; (you know, Victoria Regina?) into the wall.  And Jude law was just as good.  See, a lot of people interpret Watson as bumbling and bewildered because he&#8217;s not as smart as holmes and was the straight man to holmes&#8217; mad genius, whereas the only traights the stories put to him was that he was a bit stuffy and excitable.  But the stories also said he was ex military (I remember him serving in india, but wikipedia says afghanistan), was a bit of a player, and was a doctor, THE go to profession of that time for brainey guys.  Jude Law portrays all of that, painting watson as not some sidekick and chronicler of adventures, but as the long suffering partner who shares Holmes&#8217; love of adventure and mystery while suppressing the urge to lamp him one (yeah, not very well, but sherlock kind of had that one coming).    </p>
<p>I also totally agree with you about the ending.  Finish the story before you start the next one, guys, Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: G³</title>
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		<dc:creator>G³</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blaise: So this is how awesome the people I work with are.  My supervisors come walking back in after a break and without any prompting they say &quot;So we&#039;ve decided that our department would have the best chance of surviving the Zombie Apocalypse.&quot;  

And the best part is, I know it&#039;s true!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blaise: So this is how awesome the people I work with are.  My supervisors come walking back in after a break and without any prompting they say &#8220;So we&#8217;ve decided that our department would have the best chance of surviving the Zombie Apocalypse.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And the best part is, I know it&#8217;s true!  <img src='http://www.geekgirlgamut.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t lie.  If there&#039;s a zombie apocalypse, it&#039;ll take at least 5 minutes for the squeals to die down among the geeks who are prepared, and you know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t lie.  If there&#8217;s a zombie apocalypse, it&#8217;ll take at least 5 minutes for the squeals to die down among the geeks who are prepared, and you know it.</p>
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		<title>By: G³</title>
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		<dc:creator>G³</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Megali: You must get out and see those other two films as well, but if they must wait until Netflix, they will be worthwhile rentals as well.  I know you will like them.  And thank you very much for the kind words, I like to think I am mostly impartial and give a fair review without spoiling events for people who have not seen the films yet.

You got a few of those important points for the Zombie Plan, but oh how there is more. Of course I hope there never comes a day when we actually need to use our vast geek knowledge for that reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Megali: You must get out and see those other two films as well, but if they must wait until Netflix, they will be worthwhile rentals as well.  I know you will like them.  And thank you very much for the kind words, I like to think I am mostly impartial and give a fair review without spoiling events for people who have not seen the films yet.</p>
<p>You got a few of those important points for the Zombie Plan, but oh how there is more. Of course I hope there never comes a day when we actually need to use our vast geek knowledge for that reason.</p>
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		<title>By: G³</title>
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		<dc:creator>G³</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Janskoller: Sadly, the second one.  Though they are getting better, I think, that wiley Hollywood.</description>
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		<title>By: Janskoller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janskoller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All three are great movies, either Hollywood is doing everything right now or I&#039;m good at avoiding the crappy movies.</description>
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